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Why Removed Supplemental Index Labels are good for my business

Earlier this week Google has removed the “supplemental index” labels from the SERPs, and as with every major poops from Google the whole SEO scene freaked out on this!

Me too – because I have to thank Google for giving me – and my clients a new competitive advantage.

Why do I thank Google for removing interesting signals?

Well, until last week every wannabeo-seo and his mother could see (in the SERPs, see grandfathered sample below)

if a page had a problem with ranking…

There have been huge posts by Jim , Halfdeck and Halfdeck again and a lot more on what/why/where supplementals are. Even I posted about Supplemental Hell and one PayPerPost link buying penalty bringing pages into the to supplemental index.

Today however…

People need to put more effort into detecting if a page has problem due to being in the supplemental index.

That means a certain (large) amount of SEOs just won’t be able to do this in their everyday job.

Halfdeck has his own Supplemenal Detector which is a fancy JAVA application that is in fact a “pagerank emulator” – and all pages below a certain threshold are marked as supplemental. I encourage you to download this data scraper, and I’m sure it works nicely – but haven’t tried it.

After playing with Halfdeck’s Pagerank emulator I must say that it’s a great way to simulate how the “link juice” flows thru your site and where you are actually wasting precious link juice (i.e. on useless stats pages). Halfdeck even implemented a “backlink emulator” where you can judge on the effects of an additional PRx link to any page you like… pretty cool tool – it just lacks TBPR live queries, but I hope he can add that in the next version.

But, in fact I never cared much about the TOTAL number of supplementals, but always if a single page is in supplemental. Why that?

Well, I guess Link Ninja Master Jim Boykin knows why – it’s because you don’t want to get links on pages in the supplemental index because they won’t get crawled as often.

Jim’s recent explanation on finding if a page is in supplemental pretty well details how to detect if a page is “healthy” at all – i.e. ranks for obscure terms.

If a page does not even rank for an obscure terms on it, you don’t need a link there.

So you ask again, why is this cool for your business?

Because the way to check if a page is worthy to spend time to get a link on it has just become a bit harder. You will need more work, time, effort, unless you automate it. Just as we do here.

And this is the perfect situation to use an “internal tool” (as many SEOs have) as a competitie advantage to get more and better links in a shorter time… heck – some link builders might spend another couple clicks on each page to find out if it qualifies for hunting for link.

We Don’t :-)

In fact we already see the “Supplemental Index” on top of our brower toolbar bar when we visit a page.

In fact we already see the “Supplemental Index” label as it used to be printed for ALL google users in the past, nicely embedded in the SERPs.

And in fact Google has bought itself now 10-20 more Google queries per SERP page my Link Arbeiter team screens when looking for links – plus we are inflating the pageloads of all those sites we screen by one…

Do you think that hurts Google? Nah – enough resources.

Do you think it hurts me? Nah – just got a bunch more proxy IPs to make up for the bigger Google scraping load.

Do you think it will hurt the SEO scene building links? Well …

I would assume a huge bunch of people won’t even notice a difference – after all even SEOmoz de-classified 70% of SEO companies for not knowing the SEO basic

Furthermore a couple of smaller equipped companies will struggle as they will need to do more a lot more work (as per Jim’s description) to get the same results…. and I mean – A LOT MORE.

Now this moves the benefits to larger scale companies (as Google is) that DO have an intact SEO infrastructure for their daily SEO work.

But the small scale link builders will first have to build that infrastructure, browser plugins and knowledge to make visible what Google has just taken from the public.

Thanks Google !

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Alot of people seem to be

Alot of people seem to be fixated on figuring out which of their pages are supplemental. Every site has a percentage of pages in the supplemental index. That's not avoidable unless you got only 10 pages and alot of PageRank.

What my tool does isn't really to "detect" supplemental results - site:domain.com/* or site:domain.com/& does that for ya - instead, its a PageRank distribution manipulation tool. By shifting PageRank, you can practically prevent key landing pages (e.g. pages with paid links) from falling out of the main index.

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need to update my post

Hey Halfdeck!

thanks for your valuable feedback - I just tried the & trick and it seems to work well - need to update my toolbars to include that count.

I agree that your tool is not only a supplemental detector as you accidentially named it. "Pagerank simulator" is the name you want to give it and I enjoyed playing with it yesterday still.

It's fantastic to see how pagerank is spread across the site and in fact I already poked around with the robots.txt file of this blog to get rid of some useless pages and archives... (funny tough how the public opinion shifted from "PR doesn't matter" back to "PR preservation" is everything)

However - I enjoyed your posts on the topic (as well as that mega-resource supplemental trick page) and value your feedback

Halfdeck, what's missing in your fab tool is a live-query for the "TBPR" pagerank, as I think typing in the PR by hand to feed the simulator just sucks

in fact I think that by bulk-querying the PR for all pages you should even be able to detect anomalies between the "should be PR" and the real TBPR - aka try to detect patterns that indicate a penalty (for whatever reason)

What I would wish for that is
a) multi-proxy support if you implement the PR query yourself

b) just an option to let the user provide a custom url to call up for getting an URLs TBPR (and let me use my own proxy infrastructure for that)

that could be something like

http://mydomain.com/googlepr.php?url=$url$

so similar - get the idea?

Cheers!

Christoph C. Cemper
- the http://www.marketingfan.com

Thanks Christoph, Yeah, I

Thanks Christoph,

Yeah, I named it "supplemental results detector" for SEO reasons :) The url "pagerankbot" tells it more like it is.

"Halfdeck, what's missing in your fab tool is a live-query for the "TBPR" pagerank, as I think typing in the PR by hand to feed the simulator just sucks"

I agree completely - it's a pain in the ass. I thought about automating that and supp detection via proxies, but I only had limited time for the project - 1 week to learn Java and 1-2 weeks to code it, so I had to make some sacrifices. Though I'm out of time, I might just post the source code and let other people hack it.

The TBPR you type in doesn't get crunched by the tool. It's just a way for you to keep track of them so you can compare them with the "Approximate TBPR" numbers. So to me the feature wasn't all that important. I just used it to tweak the algo that translated raw PageRank numbers into TBPR.

I remember Link Moses talking on Search Engine Land about a in-house tool that mines competitor backlinks. I agree that an SEO either needs a good team of SEOs to work with or a collection of good tools (preferably both). Even if someone pays me $400 an hour, I don't enjoy spending 10 minutes mining backlinks via Yahoo Site Explorer, which is not only slow but inaccurate.

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pr query url

Hey Halfdeck,

having an option to configure an url that returns the PR
would be great tough

Christoph C. Cemper
- the http://www.marketingfan.com

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which pages are supplemental.

Oh and regarding my fixation on

>figuring out which of their pages are supplemental.

I'm not fixated on "my" pages, but "their" pages. ALL the pages that I buy or barter a link from (it's paid anyhow - either with $, EUR or plain hard work!) should NOT suffer from being supplemental reason for whatever.

The point of my post is, that I automated Jim's "Secret Supplemental Lookup Tutorial" into a nice browser toolbar plugin where ALL of my link samurai team members (the "Link Arbeiter" can easily see that status - and focus on the creative part of link building without wasting time on this issue as maybe others will.

cheers!

Christoph C. Cemper
- the http://www.marketingfan.com

Just wanted to thank my

Just wanted to thank my lucky stars that Google is making it even tougher for SEO wannabes to scam their clients .. (I was in a meeting the other day with one of those .. he did not know what "anchor text" was .. let alone the mystery behind the supplental index)

I'm a programmer, and like Halfdeck, I enjoy hacking out techical ways to automate knowledge enhancing tidbits from Google, etc .. your sup results detector (and the suggested comments by Jim Boykin) gave me some new ideas .. thanks Christoph for this stimulating post ..

"I'm not fixated on "my"

"I'm not fixated on "my" pages, but "their" pages. ALL the pages that I buy or barter a link from (it's paid anyhow - either with $, EUR or plain hard work!) should NOT suffer from being supplemental reason for whatever."

Google clearly made it tougher for people to buy links with this change; obviously you don't want to be paying for a link on a supplemental page. From that standpoint, your plugin sounds like a sweet time-saver for your link samurais to make sure they're getting their money's worth.

"having an option to configure an url that returns the PR
would be great tough"

True. I wish I had the time to implement that. 2007 is whipping by too fast.

Browser Toolbar Plugin?

Hi Christoph,

You said... "I automated Jim's "Secret Supplemental Lookup Tutorial" into a nice browser toolbar plugin"

Where can I download it?

Thanks,
Dave.

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hi Dave, we really have that

hi Dave,

we really have that as a toolbar feature now, and found a lot more great things to let that tool do for us but that is an internal tool only (a little competitive advantage for us :-)

best,christoph

Christoph C. Cemper
- the http://www.marketingfan.com

So... No download?

So... No download? Darn.
Please let me know if you make it public.

Dave.

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Dave, only one of the

Dave, only one of the reasons to keep the tool internal is competitive advantage...

the second and even weightier reason is the resource usage that the scripts takes up - it's another 3 thru 3+N google scraper calls (depending on situation up to 10) that we need to make and hide behind a proxy network...

revealing that script to public would also require us to have a larger scale private proxy network ...

To illustrate, alone this tool needs about same number of calls as the "Page Strength" tool from SeoMoz (which in turn is quite primitive in it's logic compared to this and still fails many times and/or reports crap data - if viewed historically )

So unless I see a big business model behind this I can't go to the lengths to support that tool for public (at least in a sort-of-broken fashion as the SeoMoz PageStrength) but keep it for ourselves...

cheers
christoph

Christoph C. Cemper
- the http://www.marketingfan.com

It was worth a try ;^)

It was worth a try ;^)