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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.marketingfan.com/strongest-subpages-suck-where-you-should-really-get-links">Strongest Subpages Suck! Where you should really get links from!</a><br/><br/>By <a href="http://www.marketingfan.com">Marketingfan.com Internet Markting Blog</a></p>
Post explaining why looking at the "strongest subpage" tools is not enough.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.marketingfan.com/strongest-subpages-suck-where-you-should-really-get-links">Strongest Subpages Suck! Where you should really get links from!</a><br/><br/>By <a href="http://www.marketingfan.com">Marketingfan.com Internet Markting Blog</a></p>
Doing link building is a hard and cost-intensive job &#8211; whereby costs can be man hours, pizzas or <span class="caps">USD </span>you waste, now matter what &#8211; you <span class="caps">PAY </span>for building links in the one or the other way.<br />
<h3>The question is &#8211; where do you spend your link building resources on?</h3>
<h4>Lesson 1: Strongest Subpages suck</h4>
Just look at these stats below, of different pages I could get links on

<p><img src="/files/u2/some-nice-links-to-get2.png" alt="some-nice-links-to-get2.png" width="535" height="137" /></p>

<p>These are pages of one site, the homepage and different sub pages &#8211; immediately you see that the homepage is of course a <span class="caps">PR5, </span>but getting a link on a better themed sub page would be much more beneficial, and more feasible. That site just doesn&#8217;t give us a homepage link.</p>

<p>But looking at all those sub pages we realize, they&#8217;ve got different cache dates and most importantly, only <span class="caps">ONE </span>sub page has external links on it which in turn <span class="caps">MIGHT </span>be a reason for it not getting supplemental. Well, with the <a href="http://www.marketingfan.com/search-engines/why-removed-supplemental-index-labels-are-good-my-business">right tools for checking if a page is supplemental</a> we immediately notice that only the homepage is really juicy, i.e. is not supplemental and ranks for stuff it carries on.</p>

<p>Looking closer at that &#8220;Juice&#8221; column we also notice, that some of the subpages are indicated as <span class="caps">DEAD </span>- this means while they are cached, they don&#8217;t even rank for obscure and long terms found on the page.</p>

<p>Looking even closer at that &#8220;Juice&#8221; column we also notice that the <span class="caps">ONLY </span>page that has external links, and others, ranks for their stuff &#8211; together with <span class="caps">TON</span>s of other pages on the web&#8230; that means, they are <strong>duplicate content</strong> &#8211; and in fact lost the battle against other sites carrying the same content&#8230;</p>

<p>Now if I were Google, I would penalize those pages, too &#8211; duplicate content is a sure way to the supplemental index &#8211; or out of the active Google index at all finally&#8230;</p>

<p>In any case, <span class="caps">NONE </span>of the possible sub pages on that site are relevant for linking. So the <a href="http://www.linkresearchtools.com/tools/sspt/" target="blank">Strongest Subpages Tool</a> alone is not useful for finding a linkable page &#8211; but if you look for the Strongest Subpages and then put them into the <a href="http://www.linkresearchtools.com/tools/juice-tool/" target="blank">Juice Tool</a>, you&#8217;ll surely find the best sources for getting a link.</p>

<h4>Lesson 2: Paid Links suck</h4>
I&#8217;m sure you read all that yadda yadda about paid links, and Google &#8220;suddenly&#8221; saying paid links are evil just because they clarified their webmaster guidelines &#8230; In fact Matt Cutts &amp; co spread the paid-link propaganda for at least <span class="caps">THREE YEAR</span>s now (I might be wrong, maybe it&#8217;s four&#8230; not sure&#8230; but before that it was GoogleGuy, Matt&#8217;s alter ego)

<p>Are paid links bad?</p>

<p>Yes, they are &#8211; if they are easily detected as such.</p>

<p>Just look at my browser toolbar for the next link prospect &#8230;</p>

<p><img src="/files/u2/dead-link-juice-link-network.png" alt="dead-link-juice-link-network.png" width="184" height="37" /></p>

<p>What do we see here? Ok &#8211; Apparently this site sucks anyway, because the juice indicator tells me it&#8217;s a <strong>dead meat page</strong> anyway, which means it doesn&#8217;t rank for <span class="caps">ANYTHING  </span>(while being unique content! note that!)</p>

<p>But most important, we see that even my stupid little firefox toolbar understands that this site is part of the link inventory of Text Link Ads.</p>

<p>That is a paid link network.</p>

<p>Yes, one of the many paid link networks, and I definitely want to emphasize, that Patrick&#8217;s company Text-Link-Ads is the best link broker network on the market, first for being the first, second for being the biggest and third for being the company with the best business ethics one can think off.</p>

<p><span class="caps">BUT, </span>it&#8217;s apparent that at least <span class="caps">THIS </span>site of the inventory is compromised. Any another of my secret inhouse tools (that I cannot give away, just because it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.marketingfan.com/search-engines/why-removed-supplemental-index-labels-are-good-my-business#comment-484">my own competitive advantage</a> <span class="caps">PLUS </span>eats a lot of resources once again) is able to identify this site as a Text-Link-Ads site.</p>

<p>And so Google&#8217;s engineers are able to detect this site as a &#8220;paid link site&#8221;. It might well be, that this is the reason this site ranks for nothing.. but that&#8217;s just pure speculation.</p>

Again, no hate about <span class="caps">TLA </span>- they are just the biggest company, so it was easiest for me to find a sample site <img src='http://www.marketingfan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
<h4>Summary: Where to really get links from</h4>
Obviously getting a link on the <strong>strongest subpage</strong> won&#8217;t help you much &#8230; at least not it all cases.

<p>And neither will paid links help you if a little secret inhouse tool of <span class="caps">CEMPER.COM </span>will already display on the browser toolbar that the site you would buy a link from belongs to a link network.</p>

<p>What you need are</p>


<ul>
<li>links that you get/buy below the radar (of google &amp; competitors)</li>
<li>links on pages on established and trusted sites</li>
<li>links on pages on those sites that pass juice and are not marked &#8220;paid link&#8221; or can be easily detected as such</li>
<li>links within those pages content &#8211; if they are relevant to you&#8230; (else simply forget it &#8211; what do you want with german cooking content on a french plumbering site?)</li>
<li>links that stay up &#8211; for a long time&#8230; don&#8217;t even think about &#8220;boosting your site&#8221; with a link to take that link away again some months later</li>
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<p>What&#8217;s your take on links that work?</p>

<p><hr /><br />
Update 2009-09-01: The Link Juice tool and a lot more is now finally available to the public in the <a href="http://www.linkresearchtools.com">Link Research Tools</a> by <span class="caps">CEMPER.COM</span><br />
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